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Old 03-11-2013, 08:04 PM   #1
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Default where is there a shop that narrows axles ?

i picked up an 8 lug dana 44 front

trying to decide if i can have it narrowed,

or if i need to get a full width rear.

any opinions
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:08 PM   #2
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Narrowing a front isn't hard.

Depending on your timing, you could come over and do it at my place. I have all the tools you would need.

You need to calculate how much you want to narrow it (to put the diff where you want it, and usually to re-use some stock sized axles from something else.

Then, cut off the knuckle, or knuckles in a band saw.
Remove the piece of axle tube from the knuckle.
Trim the tube to the correct length
Put the knuckle back on
Set the caster, and weld it back on.

I've done it before. Its not really that much work.

With a rear, you need to use alignment bars and make pucks on a lathe to keep it all straight. I've done that before too, but my alignment bar isn't wide enough for full size.

But a front doesn't need that, just just remove the knuckle, shorten, and reassemble. Helps to take the inner knuckle C and heat on a BBQ, to grow it enough to slip onto the tube.
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:06 AM   #3
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Narrowing a front isn't hard.

Depending on your timing, you could come over and do it at my place. I have all the tools you would need.

You need to calculate how much you want to narrow it (to put the diff where you want it, and usually to re-use some stock sized axles from something else.

Then, cut off the knuckle, or knuckles in a band saw.
Remove the piece of axle tube from the knuckle.
Trim the tube to the correct length
Put the knuckle back on
Set the caster, and weld it back on.

I've done it before. Its not really that much work.

With a rear, you need to use alignment bars and make pucks on a lathe to keep it all straight. I've done that before too, but my alignment bar isn't wide enough for full size.

But a front doesn't need that, just just remove the knuckle, shorten, and reassemble. Helps to take the inner knuckle C and heat on a BBQ, to grow it enough to slip onto the tube.
i would like to keep it yj width so i can keep my 8.8 that i already spent a lot of money on.
as far as timing goes, you would have to tell me when you are available.
thank you
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:23 AM   #4
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Like he said narrowing is not that had.
I have done it also.
If I remember correctly the hardest part is getting the tube out of the knuckle.

Start to take measure measurements of the old axle. And re check them a few times to make sure you havenít miss measured.

And or take both axles with you to help with the measurements and to compare axles.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:38 AM   #5
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I need to finish a little wiring out there (I don't have a circuit for the welder yet) but that will be done by the end of this weekend. So, after that, like 2 weekends from now, or later, I would have time.

As Roy said, in the mean time, you can do the necessary prep work at your place.

Step 1: you need to take the measurements you need, and plan out how you want the axle.

Step 2: Then you want to strip it down, to just the housing. Drain it and wipe out any oil, remove the brakes, spindles, hubs, outer knuckles, and shafts, and clean up the inner C's a little.

Those step you can do now. Then we do the axle narrowing in 2 or 3 weeks.

Like Roy said, the hardest part is removing the little piece of tube from inside the knuckle. Generally, you grind out the weld as much as possible, then most people use a sawzall and slit the tube in 2 or 3 places, and drive the pieces out with a punch. I have a 20 ton press we can also use there. I will see if I have a large enough cutter for my mill, that could also be an option.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:45 AM   #6
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Mr N's page is a very good place to start for Dana 44 info:

http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/web_rs44.html

On there, he has charts that have all the different axle shaft lengths. You can start using this info to try to figure out what kind of axle you want to build. Is your axle a Ford F250 axle?



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Old 03-12-2013, 09:02 AM   #7
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I would think you want to use something like a Wagoneer width front axle.

A wagoneer front is about 61-62" wide in the front. A YJ Dana 30 is 60.575" wide. The Explorer 8.8 is 59.625"

You need to think about your wheels, what bolt pattern to run.

The front, you can run 5 on 5.5, 6 on 5.5, or 8 on 6.5

The rear, you are probably 5 on 4.5 now. Could get some spacers/adapters for the rear, to keep the 8.8, and then add 1 to 1.5" width on each side, and then end up with 5 on 5.5 pattern in the rear, and then use F150 hubs in the front to get 5 on 5.5 pattern.

http://www.spidertrax.com/Jeep-CJ-Conversion-Adapters

Those would widen the rear axle by 2.5" total, to about 62" wide.

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Do you know exactly what your donor axle is from?
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:02 PM   #9
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Do you know exactly what your donor axle is from?
it is supposed to be a 79 f250

it was bought used by the person i bought it from so i am not positive.

8 lug f250 width, it was sitting beside a f150 axle and was wider(about 2")

it has leaf spring perches for spring over and the long side real loooooong

it has 4;10 gears but i want to run 4:88 to match the rear.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:12 PM   #10
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I would think you want to use something like a Wagoneer width front axle.

A wagoneer front is about 61-62" wide in the front. A YJ Dana 30 is 60.575" wide. The Explorer 8.8 is 59.625"

You need to think about your wheels, what bolt pattern to run.

The front, you can run 5 on 5.5, 6 on 5.5, or 8 on 6.5

The rear, you are probably 5 on 4.5 now. Could get some spacers/adapters for the rear, to keep the 8.8, and then add 1 to 1.5" width on each side, and then end up with 5 on 5.5 pattern in the rear, and then use F150 hubs in the front to get 5 on 5.5 pattern.

http://www.spidertrax.com/Jeep-CJ-Conversion-Adapters

Those would widen the rear axle by 2.5" total, to about 62" wide.
would i be better with f250 hubs? i can get a f150 dana 44 cheap, it has a crack where the pig meets the tube that has been welded.

i have 5x5.5 wheels, i don't have any 8 lug wheels.

wagoneer size size sounds perfect.
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